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    From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 21 15:26:10 2020
    So Jose's Spurs are top of the league after a convincing Mourinho-like performance against ManCity.

    Meaning that Mou could be on track to winning a championship with a fifth different team: Porto, Chelsea, Real Madrid and Spurs, and let's assume for a second that the one with the Immaculate Virgins also counts.

    We did this not too long ago for managers winning in four or more different leagues, and there are six coaches that belong in this group: Mourinho (4 different teams), Trap (5), Ancelotti (4), Happel (4), Ivic (5), and Gerets (6) .

    So is there anyone who can beat Eric Gerets?
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 21 16:40:57 2020
    On Sunday, November 22, 2020 at 12:26:12 AM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    So Jose's Spurs are top of the league after a convincing Mourinho-like performance against ManCity.

    Meaning that Mou could be on track to winning a championship with a fifth different team: Porto, Chelsea, Real Madrid and Spurs, and let's assume for a second that the one with the Immaculate Virgins also
    counts.

    We did this not too long ago for managers winning in four or more different leagues, and there are six coaches that belong in this group: Mourinho (4 different teams), Trap (5), Ancelotti (4), Happel (4), Ivic (5), and
    Gerets (6) .

    So is there anyone who can beat Eric Gerets?
    Another (5) that hasn't been mentioned in the previous thread is Mircea Lucescu.
    He's won league titles with Dinamo Bucharest, Rapid Bucharest, Galatasaray, Be+fikta+f, and Shakhtar Donetsk,
    and could add a sixth this season with Dynamo Kiev, currently six points clear. To find more answers, I think one needs to peruse the Middle Eastern and other Asiatic leagues. Our very own
    Pepi Hickersberger has won titles in Austria, Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE (an addition to that old thread I only found
    out about later), and he certainly wasn't the brightest star in the managing world.
    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Nov 23 09:10:33 2020
    On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 7:40:59 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Sunday, November 22, 2020 at 12:26:12 AM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    We did this not too long ago for managers winning in four or more different leagues, and there are six coaches that belong in this group: Mourinho (4 different teams), Trap (5), Ancelotti (4), Happel (4), Ivic (5), and
    Gerets (6) .

    So is there anyone who can beat Eric Gerets?
    Another (5) that hasn't been mentioned in the previous thread is Mircea Lucescu.
    Forget multiple countries. How many managers have won titles with at least three different teams in the *same* league?
    The only one I can think of in Serie A is Capello (Milan, Roma and Juve, even if some people would incorrectly put an asterisk on the latter). Liedholm, Trapattoni and Allegri have two.
    In England, nobody, and you can count on the fingers of one hand those who have won titles with two different teams : Watson (Sunderland and Liverpool more than 100 years ago), Herbert Chapman, Brian Clough and Kenny Dalglish. If Mourinho can do it with Chelsea and Tottenham, that would be some achievement.
    In Germany, nobody (but a bunch with two). France, nada.
    In Spain I'm not even going to look, as it's so rare for the championship to go outside of Barcelona and Real Madrid.
    I've found two in Brazil! Enio Andrade (Internacional, Gremio and Coritiba in the late 1970s-early 80s) and Vanderlei Luxemburgo, with four different teams: Palmeiras, Corinthians, Cruzeiro and Santos between 1993 and 2004. It helps that the Brasileirao is so competitive.
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Nov 23 14:52:53 2020
    On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 6:10:35 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 7:40:59 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Sunday, November 22, 2020 at 12:26:12 AM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    We did this not too long ago for managers winning in four or more different leagues, and there are six coaches that belong in this group: Mourinho (4 different teams), Trap (5), Ancelotti (4), Happel (4), Ivic (5),
    and Gerets (6) .

    So is there anyone who can beat Eric Gerets?

    Another (5) that hasn't been mentioned in the previous thread is Mircea Lucescu.

    Forget multiple countries. How many managers have won titles with at least three different teams in the *same* league?

    The only one I can think of in Serie A is Capello (Milan, Roma and Juve, even if some people would incorrectly put an asterisk on the latter). Liedholm, Trapattoni and Allegri have two.

    In England, nobody, and you can count on the fingers of one hand those who have won titles with two different teams : Watson (Sunderland and Liverpool more than 100 years ago), Herbert Chapman, Brian Clough
    and Kenny Dalglish. If Mourinho can do it with Chelsea and Tottenham, that would be some achievement.

    In Germany, nobody (but a bunch with two).
    If Rehhagel hadn't failed in Munich...
    France, nada.
    With two: Batteux, Leduc, Houllier, Blanc

    In Spain I'm not even going to look, as it's so rare for the championship to go outside of Barcelona and Real Madrid.
    A couple in the old days with two. Herrera won La Liga with Atl|-tico and Barcelona before his exploits with Inter.
    Ferdinand Dau-i|!k won three titles with Barcelona and Bilbao (+2 war titles with Slovan Bratislava).
    Uruguayan Enrique Fern|indez won three titles with Barcelona and Real Madrid (+ 2 Urugayan league titles with Nacional +1 in Chile with Colo-Colo)
    I've found two in Brazil! Enio Andrade (Internacional, Gremio and Coritiba in the late 1970s-early 80s) and Vanderlei Luxemburgo, with four different teams: Palmeiras, Corinthians, Cruzeiro and Santos between
    1993 and 2004. It helps that the Brasileirao is so competitive.
    Lower-hanging fruit, but Otto Bari-c won the Austrian League with Innsbruck, Rapid and Austria Salzburg.
    (+1 Croatian title with Dinamo Zagreb, reached two European finals, came very close to another Austrian title with Sturm Graz)
    Hans Pesser, about whom I once wrote something here because he's still the second-highest ranked manager on ClubElo won the
    Austrian title with Rapid, Sportclub and Admira.
    Karl Rappan, the real inventor of catenaccio when it was still the 'Swiss Bolt', won the Swiss League with Grasshoppers,
    Servette and Lausanne (and in the 1938 World Cup eliminated Nazi Germany while being a member of the Nazi party).
    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Nov 23 15:10:03 2020
    On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 5:52:55 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    Lower-hanging fruit, but Otto Bari-c won the Austrian League with Innsbruck, Rapid and Austria Salzburg.
    (+1 Croatian title with Dinamo Zagreb, reached two European finals, came very close to another Austrian title with Sturm Graz)
    Nice additions. It's obviously a lot harder to win with three different teams in the same league than go hopping between Bayern, PSG, and some of the Italian/English/Spanish giants. (Of course you have to be good enough to convince the owners of those megaclubs to appoint you...)
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Dec 13 15:05:29 2020
    On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 1:07:40 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:
    On 23.11.2020. 23:52, Werner Pichler wrote:

    Lower-hanging fruit, but Otto Bari|a won the Austrian League with Innsbruck, Rapid and Austria Salzburg.
    (+1 Croatian title with Dinamo Zagreb, reached two European finals, came very close to another Austrian title with Sturm Graz)
    Otto Baric just passed away, due to covid complications apparently.
    Despite his age he was more than reasonable, was a guest at
    Podcast Inkubator this year
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZYllyOq5FU
    sorry to hear that :-(
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Dec 13 15:50:23 2020
    On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 7:07:40 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
    On 23.11.2020. 23:52, Werner Pichler wrote:

    Lower-hanging fruit, but Otto Bari|a won the Austrian League with Innsbruck, Rapid and Austria Salzburg.
    (+1 Croatian title with Dinamo Zagreb, reached two European finals, came very close to another Austrian title with Sturm Graz)

    Otto Baric just passed away, due to covid complications apparently.
    Despite his age he was more than reasonable, was a guest at
    Podcast Inkubator this year
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZYllyOq5FU
    Very sad news.
    He was one of the defining figures in Austrian football for 30 years, his manners and typical quotes
    have achieved legendary status here (warranting his nickname 'Otto Maximale'). The 2000's were
    a bit marred by his ill-advised homophobic comments, but in retrospect it's become clear how unique
    his accomplishments were (the above mentioned titles with three different teams, European finals
    with Rapid and Salzburg, taking Austria closer to the World Cup than anyone since 1998). RIP.
    Now I just pray that Osim holds on for many, many more years, because that'll be the day I'll shed actual tears.
    Ciao,
    Werner
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