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  • What's gone wrong with Cruzeiro?

    From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Oct 4 07:39:38 2021
    It's not looking as if they're going to win promotion this season either!

    What's going on?
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  • From Jesus Petry@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Oct 4 07:58:17 2021
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 11:39:40 UTC-3, Mark escreveu:
    It's not looking as if they're going to win promotion this season either!

    What's going on?
    Brazilian S|-rie B is very tough. The clubs in it are either top dogs in their state leagues or are accustomed to play against the very big ones in their own state leagues. No easy games.
    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Oct 4 11:09:58 2021
    On 2021-10-04 08:58, Jesus Petry wrote:
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 11:39:40 UTC-3, Mark escreveu:
    It's not looking as if they're going to win promotion this season either!

    What's going on?

    Brazilian S|-rie B is very tough. The clubs in it are either top dogs in their state leagues or are accustomed to play against the very big ones in their own state leagues. No easy games.

    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry

    Do you think Gr|-mio will be playing there next season ?
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  • From Jesus Petry@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Oct 4 10:24:04 2021
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 14:10:01 UTC-3, MH escreveu:
    On 2021-10-04 08:58, Jesus Petry wrote:
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 11:39:40 UTC-3, Mark escreveu:
    It's not looking as if they're going to win promotion this season either! >>
    What's going on?

    Brazilian S|-rie B is very tough. The clubs in it are either top dogs in their state leagues or are accustomed to play against the very big ones in their own state leagues. No easy games.

    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry

    Do you think Gr|-mio will be playing there next season ?
    One can hope ;-)
    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Oct 4 13:21:02 2021
    On 2021-10-04 11:24, Jesus Petry wrote:
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 14:10:01 UTC-3, MH escreveu:
    On 2021-10-04 08:58, Jesus Petry wrote:
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 11:39:40 UTC-3, Mark escreveu: >>>> It's not looking as if they're going to win promotion this season either! >>>>
    What's going on?

    Brazilian S|-rie B is very tough. The clubs in it are either top dogs in their state leagues or are accustomed to play against the very big ones in their own state leagues. No easy games.

    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry

    Do you think Gr|-mio will be playing there next season ?

    One can hope ;-)

    Last time I looked they were in that zone, but with some games in hand.

    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry

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  • From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Oct 5 02:43:43 2021
    On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:21:05 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
    On 2021-10-04 11:24, Jesus Petry wrote:
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 14:10:01 UTC-3, MH escreveu:
    On 2021-10-04 08:58, Jesus Petry wrote:
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 11:39:40 UTC-3, Mark escreveu:
    It's not looking as if they're going to win promotion this season either!

    What's going on?

    Brazilian S|-rie B is very tough. The clubs in it are either top dogs in their state leagues or are accustomed to play against the very big ones in their own state leagues. No easy games.

    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry

    Do you think Gr|-mio will be playing there next season ?

    One can hope ;-)
    Last time I looked they were in that zone, but with some games in hand.

    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry

    Sao Paulo are struggling a bit too!
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Oct 6 11:44:52 2021
    On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:10:01 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:
    On 2021-10-04 08:58, Jesus Petry wrote:
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 11:39:40 UTC-3, Mark escreveu:
    It's not looking as if they're going to win promotion this season either! >>
    What's going on?

    Brazilian S|-rie B is very tough. The clubs in it are either top dogs in their state leagues or are accustomed to play against the very big ones in their own state leagues. No easy games.
    Vasco don't appear to find it easy to come straight back up again either.


    Do you think Gr|-mio will be playing there next season ?
    Wouldn't it be even more shocking if Santos were the ones to fall? They've never been relegated have they?
    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?TGzDqW8=?=@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Oct 9 21:42:35 2021
    Werner Pichler escreveu:
    On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:10:01 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:
    On 2021-10-04 08:58, Jesus Petry wrote:
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 11:39:40 UTC-3, Mark escreveu:
    It's not looking as if they're going to win promotion this
    season either!

    What's going on?

    Brazilian S|-rie B is very tough. The clubs in it are either top
    dogs in their state leagues or are accustomed to play against
    the very big ones in their own state leagues. No easy games.

    Vasco don't appear to find it easy to come straight back up again
    either.
    Indeed. A mere 29 rounds (of 38) gone now and we spent a grand total
    of ZERO of these inside the promotion zone. We had a brief surge in
    the last five games due to a coach change and the arrival of veteran
    Nen|-, but tonight we screwed up for the millionth time and lost 1-0
    to Sampaio Corr|-a in S|uo Lu|!s. Had we won we'd be 6th, 2 points from
    4th place. Oh well.
    Do you think Gr|-mio will be playing there next season ?
    They're certainly making the effort. And interestingly that'd be yet
    another relegation with a big club on Scolari's resum|-. Palmeiras 2012
    was on his watch.

    Wouldn't it be even more shocking if Santos were the ones to fall?
    They've never been relegated have they?
    Yes, it would be a first for them. Santos, S|uo Paulo and Flamengo
    are the remaining teams that haven't been relegated. Yet :-)
    --
    Ll|-o
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Oct 10 11:43:07 2021
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 6:42:37 AM UTC+2, Ll|-o wrote:
    Werner Pichler escreveu:
    On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:10:01 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:

    Do you think Gr|-mio will be playing there next season ?

    They're certainly making the effort. And interestingly that'd be yet
    another relegation with a big club on Scolari's resum|-. Palmeiras 2012
    was on his watch.

    Wouldn't it be even more shocking if Santos were the ones to fall?
    They've never been relegated have they?

    Yes, it would be a first for them. Santos, S|uo Paulo and Flamengo
    are the remaining teams that haven't been relegated. Yet :-)
    A lot at stake in the Santos - Gr|-mio match starting in a couple of minutes! Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Oct 10 14:00:08 2021
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:43:08 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 6:42:37 AM UTC+2, Ll|-o wrote:
    Werner Pichler escreveu:
    On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:10:01 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:

    Do you think Gr|-mio will be playing there next season ?

    They're certainly making the effort. And interestingly that'd be yet another relegation with a big club on Scolari's resum|-. Palmeiras 2012 was on his watch.

    Wouldn't it be even more shocking if Santos were the ones to fall? They've never been relegated have they?

    Yes, it would be a first for them. Santos, S|uo Paulo and Flamengo
    are the remaining teams that haven't been relegated. Yet :-)

    A lot at stake in the Santos - Gr|-mio match starting in a couple of minutes!
    Santos with the 93rd-minute winner.
    Air's getting pretty thin for Gr|-mio.
    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Jesus Petry@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Oct 11 05:52:12 2021
    Em domingo, 10 de outubro de 2021 |as 18:00:10 UTC-3, Werner Pichler escreveu:
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:43:08 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 6:42:37 AM UTC+2, Ll|-o wrote:
    Werner Pichler escreveu:
    On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:10:01 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:

    Do you think Gr|-mio will be playing there next season ?

    They're certainly making the effort. And interestingly that'd be yet another relegation with a big club on Scolari's resum|-. Palmeiras 2012 was on his watch.

    Wouldn't it be even more shocking if Santos were the ones to fall? They've never been relegated have they?

    Yes, it would be a first for them. Santos, S|uo Paulo and Flamengo
    are the remaining teams that haven't been relegated. Yet :-)

    A lot at stake in the Santos - Gr|-mio match starting in a couple of minutes!
    Santos with the 93rd-minute winner.
    Air's getting pretty thin for Gr|-mio.
    And Scolari was fired.
    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Jesus Petry@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Dec 10 04:50:51 2021
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 14:24:10 UTC-3, Jesus Petry escreveu:
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 14:10:01 UTC-3, MH escreveu:
    On 2021-10-04 08:58, Jesus Petry wrote:
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 11:39:40 UTC-3, Mark escreveu:
    It's not looking as if they're going to win promotion this season either!

    What's going on?

    Brazilian S|-rie B is very tough. The clubs in it are either top dogs in their state leagues or are accustomed to play against the very big ones in their own state leagues. No easy games.

    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry

    Do you think Gr|-mio will be playing there next season ?
    One can hope ;-)
    Aaaaaaand they're gone!
    First big club to get relegated with no financial troubles at all.
    Next year's S|-rie B will be something.

    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry
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  • From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Dec 10 11:04:04 2021
    On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 12:50:53 PM UTC, jesus...@gmail.com wrote:
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 14:24:10 UTC-3, Jesus Petry escreveu:
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 14:10:01 UTC-3, MH escreveu:
    On 2021-10-04 08:58, Jesus Petry wrote:
    Em segunda-feira, 4 de outubro de 2021 |as 11:39:40 UTC-3, Mark escreveu:
    It's not looking as if they're going to win promotion this season either!

    What's going on?

    Brazilian S|-rie B is very tough. The clubs in it are either top dogs in their state leagues or are accustomed to play against the very big ones in their own state leagues. No easy games.

    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry

    Do you think Gr|-mio will be playing there next season ?
    One can hope ;-)
    Aaaaaaand they're gone!
    First big club to get relegated with no financial troubles at all.
    Next year's S|-rie B will be something.

    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry
    Are you happy because Gremio are doing badly, or are you disappointed because that means 2 less local derbies next year?
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?TGzDqW8=?=@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Dec 11 14:55:19 2021
    Mark escreveu:
    On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 12:50:53 PM UTC, Jesus Petry wrote:
    Aaaaaaand they're gone!
    First big club to get relegated with no financial troubles at all.
    Next year's S|-rie B will be something.

    Are you happy because Gremio are doing badly, or are you disappointed because that means 2 less local derbies next year?
    Obviously I cannot speak on behalf of Jesus, and I hope he will correct me if what I say is wrong. But considering that the Gre-Nal is probably the most intense rivalry in Brasil, I doubt you will find one single colorado in the world disappointed for not having their local derby in Serie A.
    That goes for pretty much every other rivalry actually - I doubt there are Galo fans wondering if their first Brasileir|uo title in 50 years would taste better
    with Cruzeiro around, for example. But with the Gre-Nal, the scenario somehow looks even less plausible :-)
    Plus, there's campeonato ga||cho for that particular fix anyway.
    --
    Ll|-o
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